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“It doesn’t feel like D&D anymore” is a common one. “They’re trying to make it like insert current popular computer game here” is another. Trust me—you’re not the first person to say that. For that matter, “First edition” D&D wasn’t the first rules set of the game.

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  2. Ad&d Monster Manual Pdf 1e


The final manual of the first three core books. Describes the actual AD&D game system (in unbelievable detail).

Dungeon Masters Guide by Gary Gygax

After more than two years since tantalizing players with the AD&D Monster Manual, Gygax finished work on his most impressive project, the Dungeon Masters Guide. Oft-criticized for its complicated rules and wordiness, the DMs Guide nevertheless has held up remarkably well over time, and is an impressive milestone in role-playing-game history.

Printing Information

The Dungeon Masters Guide lacks printing information on the copyright page, at least up until 1985. Much of what we have learned has been through extensive detective work; special thanks to Paul Stormberg for divining much of the information below. Thanks also Jim Fetzner, Paul Hennz, Rudy Hess, Oliver Rathbone, Bruce Robertson, and Jean-Philippe Suter for their contributions.

Because it is very difficult to determine what printing you have, you may find this flowchart easier to follow.

  • First (Aug 1979)

    • Wizard logo

    • Cover art is of three adventurers fighting a large efreet

    • Flyleaves and endpapers are a yellow-orange color

    • 'ADVANCED D&D' in the angled yellow banner is too large, and the 'D' of 'ADVANCED' partially runs off the cover

    • Wizard logo and TSR address appear on spine

    • No ISBN on spine, back cover, or title page

    • Textblock is stitched 5/8' apart

    • Spine inlay is yellow and red striped fabric

    • 232 numbered pages

    • This designation refutes Harold Johnson in Collectable Toys and Values (Meyer 1994) and 'The Story of TSR' in the Silver Anniversary Collector's Set (1999). Both of these sources indicate that the Second Print Alpha, below, is the first print run. The full argument suggesting this print to be the First print may be found here.

    • Estimated print run is 40,000

    • This print was first available at GenCon XII (August 16-19, 1979)

    • Thanks to Hugh Marbach for the scan

  • Second Alpha (Aug 1979)

    • Wizard logo

    • Cover art is of three adventurers fighting a large efreet

    • Endpapers and flyleaves are a yellow-orange color

    • 'ADVANCED D&D' in the angled yellow banner has been downsized, and no longer has the 'D' of 'ADVANCED' running off the edge of the cover

    • Wizard logo and TSR address appear on spine

    • No ISBN on spine, back cover, or title page

    • Textblock is now stitched 1' apart, on this an all subsequent prints (up to and including the Eighth print)

    • Spine inlay is no longer yellow and red striped fabric, on this and all subsequent prints

    • 232 numbered pages

    • According to Harold Johnson in Collectable Toys and Values and 'The Story of TSR' in the Silver Anniversary Collector's Set, this print had sixteen pages of the Monster Manual (Fourth Print) mistakenly bound within. Johnson relates in his interview that copies of this print went out to retailers via outer shipping. Once the error was detected, the books were recalled, the covers were removed, the correct pages were inserted, and the books were rebound with the old covers (see Second Print Beta below). However, at least a few copies were purchased by customers before the recall and remain in circulation. The pages for the DMG were apparently printed 16 to a sheet (8 on the front and 8 on the back), known as a signature, then cut to be bound in the book. In this case, the printer printed one side of the sheet with the DMG pages and the other with the Monster Manual pages. When they were cut and bound, alternating pairs of facing pages were thus either DMG or MM pages. The MM pages were also placed in their technically correct position in the book -- the page numbers were the correct MM page numbers, replacing the page of the same number in the DMG. The specific pages that contained Monster Manual data were: 98/99 (facing pages), 102/103 (facing pages), 106/107 (facing pages), and 110/111 (facing pages), for a total of 8 MM pages. As a result (of this, as well as the issue with the Third Print Alpha below), there was a severe supply shortage of the Dungeon Masters Guide in those early months

    • A very rare DMG print. Only a few of these copies with Monster Manual pages managed to escape the recall

  • Second Beta (Aug-Sept 1979)

    • Recalled and rebound printing. As above, but MM pages were replaced by newly printed DMG pages and the books were rebound with the same covers. This print is recognizable by examining the endpapers -- the old endpapers are pasted over with the new endpapers. Also the textblock may have been stapled (three big staples) or re-stitched too far into the textblock during rebinding, leaving the gutter between pages too small or non-existent. Some text disappears into the gutter as a result. Also the new 16-page signatures were cut oddly and some page numbers are very close to the bottom edge of the page, with the text on those pages at a slight angle (quick check: page 99)

    • This print is otherwise identical to the Second Print Alpha, above

  • Third Alpha (Sept-Nov 1979)

    • The third print run (again, 40,000 copies), printed just two weeks after the Second Print, had the cover of every other book deeply scored across the front cover by a loose wire on the boxing machine. This run was recalled, the good books sorted out and shipped, and the scarred covers replaced (confirmation needed)

    • Third Print Alpha is the unscarred book that was shipped out. There should be about 20,000 of these in circulation

    • Wizard logo

    • Cover art is of three adventurers fighting a large efreet

    • Endpapers and flyleaves are a yellow-orange color

    • 'ADVANCED D&D' in the angled yellow banner has been downsized, and no longer has the 'D' of 'ADVANCED' running off the edge of the cover

    • Wizard logo and TSR address appear on spine

    • No ISBN on spine, back cover, or title page

    • 232 numbered pages

    • You can distinguish this print from the Second Prints, above, by looking for two factors: no Monster Manual pages within, and no pasted-over endpapers

  • Third Beta (Sept-Nov 1979)

    • Third Print Beta is the scarred book that escaped the recall (confirmation needed; no specimens of this print have yet been spotted)

    • Other than the scar mark on the front cover, this print is otherwise identical to the Third Print Alpha, above

  • Third Gamma (Sept-Nov 1979)

    • Third Print Gamma is the scarred book that was recalled and the cover was replaced. This print is recognizable by examining the endpapers. The old endpapers are pasted over with the new endpapers. The holes from the previous binding are visible

    • The only discernable difference between this print and the Second Beta, above, is page 99: the text here is not at an angle

    • This print is otherwise identical to the Third Print Alpha, above

  • Fourth (Sept-Dec 1979)

    • Endpapers and flyleaves are white

    • This print is otherwise identical to the Third Print Alpha, above

  • Fifth (Sept-Dec 1979)

    • Wizard logo

    • Cover art is of three adventurers fighting a large efreet

    • Endpapers and flyleaves are a yellow-orange color

    • 'ADVANCED D&D' in the angled yellow banner has been downsized, and no longer has the 'D' of 'ADVANCED' running off the edge of the cover

    • Wizard logo and 'TSR Games' appears on the spine instead of TSR address. Wizard logo on spine is smaller

    • ISBN now appears on spine and lower left corner of back cover

    • 232 numbered pages

  • Sixth Alpha (Dec 1979) (Revised Edition)

    • Wizard logo

    • Cover art is of three adventurers fighting a large efreet

    • Endpapers and flyleaves are a yellow-orange color

    • 'ADVANCED D&D' in the angled yellow banner has been downsized, and no longer has the 'D' of 'ADVANCED' running off the edge of the cover

    • Wizard logo and 'TSR Games' appears on the spine instead of TSR address. Wizard logo on spine is smaller

    • ISBN now appears on spine, lower left corner of back cover, and bottom of title page

    • Title page now says 'Revised Edition — December, 1979'. Dragon Magazine #35 has an Errata article describing the revisions; click the link to read it.

    • Adds text, errata, Appendices O and P, product catalog, reference sheets, and survey form. Reference sheets are perforated

    • Removes Todd Oleck artwork (pg. 40 of 5th and earlier prints) and Dave Sutherland artwork (pg. 119 of 5th and earlier prints), presumably to accommodate the new layout. Some artwork is also resized and moved

    • 238 numbered pages

  • Sixth Beta (1980)

    • Endpapers and flyleaves are white

    • Has a survey form, and reference sheets are perforated

    • 238 numbered pages

    • This print is otherwise identical to the Sixth Alpha print, above

  • Sixth Gamma (1980)

    • Endpapers and flyleaves are white

    • The text on the spine is aligned to the 'bottom' of the spine, rather than being centered. This is possibly due to the printer using a slightly thinner cover and/or page stock, resulting in a thinner overall book

    • No survey form, and reference sheets are NOT perforated

    • 236 numbered pages

    • This print is otherwise identical to the Sixth Alpha print, above

  • Seventh(1981)

    • TSR Face logo

    • Cover art is of three adventurers fighting a large efreet

    • Endpapers and flyleaves are white

    • Angled yellow banner with 'ADVANCED D&D' and adding 'Adventure Games' below that

    • TSR Face logo on spine. 'TSR Games' has been removed

    • 'ADVANCED D&D' is now followed by 'Adventure Games' on spine

    • ISBN now appears on spine, lower left corner of back cover, and bottom of title page

    • 'ESSENTIAL REFERENCE INFORMATION FOR GAMEMASTERING ADVANCED D&D™' on the front cover is changed to: 'ESSENTIAL REFERENCE INFORMATION FOR GAMEMASTERING ADVANCED D&D™ GAMES'

    • No survey card, and reference sheets are NOT perforated

    • Textblock is no longer stitched, but glued (adhesive binding)

    • 238 numbered pages

    • Thanks to Michael Deaton for the scan

  • Eighth (1983)

    • Cover art is updated, in line with the other AD&D manuals; depicts a DM opening a pair of large doors

    • Orange spine

    • Copyright page still states 'Revised Edition, Dec 1979', and still describes the rear cover artwork as depicting the City of Brass

    • We've had to 'squish' the previous printings into several Alpha/Beta/Gamma prints so as not to collide with the actual print numbers that began to appear on the copyright page around 1985. Yes, it's a mess. Blame TSR -- there were far more than ten actual prints of the DMG by 1987!

Printing info most likely began to be added to the copyright page around 1985; discoveries of print info lower than 9th will throw our sequence above into chaos. :) The 9th printing was in August 1987, 10th printing was in 1987, the 11th printing was in April 1988, the 12th printing was in November 1988, the 13th printing was in July 1989, and the 14th printing was in July 1990. The description on the copyright page of the rear-cover artwork was never corrected. (Thanks to Michael Deaton and Gordon Richards for help with this info).

Auction Commentary

First prints are reasonably scarce, but by no means 'rare' -- a Second Alpha print, with the Monster Manual pages inside, is much rarer.

With the licensing of AD&D 2E from WoTC this project has reached it's conclusion. I'll be happy to continue to answer questions and help out as I can for the old AD&D Core but if you'd like to see what we're doing currently you can find the AD&D ruleset and content thread here.
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Overview
Download links at bottom of post.
  • Purpose: Support AD&D Core (1e and 2e) and have all the advanced features that can be included.
  • Ruleset Base Source: The ruleset source is being built using the 5e code base (version released in January of 2017) with the 5e'isms filed off and/or converted to a use that fits AD&D Core.
  • Other
    • Spell Module
    • NPC Module
    • Item Module
    • Class Sample (OSRIC Classes) Module
    • 1e Specific Extension >>HERE<<


Details
Goals (The Quest!)
I decided to hack out a ruleset for AD&D Core games because I was unhappy for various reasons with what is available. I also enjoy coding, especially when it's for something I play, AD&D. My personal goal is to hack out a ruleset that I can use in my weekly games and take advantage of the features FG allows that doesn't have any requirements that will cost the DM other than FG itself.
I picked the 5e codebase to start as with because after playing with all of the various versions of D&D rulesets that existed it seemed to be the most feature rich… and why re-invent the wheel?
So what is 'CORE' rules? For this project currently, AD&D PHB/DMG. Additionally for 1e that also includes the UA, DSG and WSG. For 2e that also includes the base Handbooks (Wizard, Rogue, Fighter and Priest) . I am excluding 2e OPTION books (commonly called 2.5e) because those diverge too much to be compatible with AD&D 1e… at least right now.
Features and what is in the works (Rumor Table!)
The TODO list is too long to post and constantly updated. Here is a link to my OneNote notebook that contains the list of 'TODO' and other related items I've created for the project. This does not include everything I've done but a lot of it. I'm trying to keep it current as I move forward.
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AntMyR2CVQb6jEkRTQQoeZg4ViSX
(click on the TODO tab on the left, you can then click on the individual sections for the character sheet/etc)
Download (Where is the Treasure hidden?)
I have attached a copy of the 'current as of my updating this post' AD&D Core.pak to this post.Ad&d monster manual pdf 1e
The most current version (while in beta) can be downloaded from the github repo here:
https://github.com/CelestianGC/AD-D-Core
Download the zip, create a directory in your ruleset folder called 'AD&D Core' and then copy the contents inside the zip in 'AD-D-Core-master.zipAD-D-Core-master' to that..
http://i.imgur.com/GBAlg2B.png
You can also just make a new zip file and renamed it to 'AD&D Core.pak' with the contents I mentioned above placed in the ruleset folder with the others (like 5e.pak/etc).

Ad&d 2e Dmg Vs 1er


Help with Project (Want to help the old hermit?)
I am doing this mainly for me and my group but if you're happy with the ruleset and want to help work on the project feel free to PM me here or you can email me at [email protected].
Modules (The Trading Post )
  • Spells
    • Have a large collection of spells but need to review and build a module that will comply with SRD.

  • Monster/NPCs
    • Have a large collection of NPCs but need to review and build a module that will comply with SRD.

Extras!
I wrote a perl script to import the AD&D Core Rules CD html files into Fantasy Grounds. This script will allow you to have your 2e PHB/DMG and all the other books included in the Core Rules CD in your FG game for you and your players. It's certainly not as pretty as the 5e books (I'm just one person) but the search feature is great. Once you include those links to your 'classes' and 'races' and such your players will love you.
I've also added a script that will also let you import the spells into your 'Spells' section from the same HTML files. If time permits I will do the same for creatures. I've already got a script that I used to import some 3k AD&D creatures from various sources but will require some work to deal with the Core Rules CD html format.
Perhaps someday in the future I can do some work on the import script to have it organize the 'books' a bit better.
This probably one of the biggest reasons I decided to drop my 2 year project with my Maptools AD&D Framework and pickup Fantasy Grounds. Having the books available easily linked in convenient places is a huge boon.
Keep in mind this script requires some knowledge of perl. At least installing perl including several modules but not necessarily coding.
Download:
https://github.com/CelestianGC/FG--A...-Core-Importer
Read the 'read me' for more details.
List of Tutorial Videos
  • Character Sheet Tutorials

Update 2019.04.17 FINAL RELEASE OF AD&D CORE.

Ad&d Monster Manual Pdf 1e

  • Bugfix: item powers added would overwrite their description with the items description
  • Update: campaign settings for DM show effects/health text made a bit more clear.
  • Added: Added: Only allow one initiative roll during each round. Option to force (alt key).

Download latest version here: Attached FilesAd&d 2e Dmg Vs 1e
  • AD&D Core SRD Spells.mod(159.8 KB, 386 views)
  • AD&D Core Items.mod(348.2 KB, 667 views)
  • AD&D Core OSRIC Classes.mod(17.7 KB, 331 views)
  • AD&D Core.pak(7.48 MB, 92 views)

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