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I hope this can't roll on TOO many slots with corruption, otherwise you can just use any crap gear and corrupt it until it all has 5%, then combine it with either MoM or Cloak to get 75/85% damage taken as mana. 75% version could be combined with lightning coil.
But yeah you wouldn't really need anything on gear. Just get tons of reservation %, run all 4 purity auras (with buff effect this will be enough for merciless with essentially no resist on gear), and cast enfeeble.

Posted by
on Mar 10, 2014, 6:46:00 PM

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I hope this can't roll on TOO many slots with corruption, otherwise you can just use any crap gear and corrupt it until it all has 5%, then combine it with either MoM or Cloak to get 75/85% damage taken as mana. 75% version could be combined with lightning coil.
But yeah you wouldn't really need anything on gear. Just get tons of reservation %, run all 4 purity auras (with buff effect this will be enough for merciless with essentially no resist on gear), and cast enfeeble.

You would run out of mana very, very quickly, even with EB. Mana pools are far smaller than HP pools.

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Last edited by Artanthos on Mar 10, 2014, 7:02:09 PM

Posted by
Artanthos
on Mar 10, 2014, 7:01:30 PM

It's damage taken GAINED as mana, i.e. worthless, not damage taken from mana before life

Posted by
on Mar 10, 2014, 7:10:12 PM

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It's damage taken GAINED as mana, i.e. worthless, not damage taken from mana before life

Actually they both exist as separate implicit mods.

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Posted by
on Mar 10, 2014, 7:14:22 PM

Even if it can roll on every slot... EB/MOM builds require very specific gear in the first place.
Good luck amassing a huge lot of good gear that is also corrupted.
Not that it isn't possible, and I'm certainly going to try... but I wouldn't worry about it being unfair.
As a note, I have 3.9k hp and 4.1k mana with Cloak of Defiance on at the moment. I can get up to 4.8k mana with Discipline but I'm left with 1600 open after auras. It will take some serious upgrades for me to get the stats I need AND corruption with one specific mod.

Posted by
on Mar 10, 2014, 7:18:19 PM

If you can get like 20% or so mana gained as damage and use MoM its friggin strong, because you will lose only 10% of mana from 30% of damage which makes your mana more valuable with MoM, tho ofc damage as mana is way better roll if you have high mana pool and are going for MoM anyway.

Posted by
on Mar 10, 2014, 7:27:53 PM

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Mindspiral
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Ondar's_Flight
ATM i'm using cloak of defiance and minspiral on an experimental build and with them seems like AA never even goes off, unless i get a huge hit while running around having about zero regen and very low mana. Maybe with the corrupted implicit mods you can go over the 40% of cloak of defiance to completely negate 40% of all damage and even gain mana when you're hit. Add armor/evasion/IR/block/spellblock/endurance charges/AA/max resistances and i guess you'll be pretty much immortal in any scenario then. Fairly expensive though. The damage taken from mana & damage taken gained as mana seems to spike very quickly.

Posted by
lantti
on Mar 10, 2014, 8:00:22 PM

I've been playing this game for three months now and as every begginer having stupid charachters that suck alot, and I understand that. But once I was playing then a Voltaxic Rift dropepd to me.
I got so excited and made a build about it but this time copied some build from a guy who was really high ladder in hardcore talisman.
The build is reaching 9K dps on lightning arrow without auras. (13K with auras) at six link while every gem is level 19. (Lighting arrow, GMP, Wed, Added lighting, Increased crits, and Increased crit damage)
I've noticed that a person from who I am copying the build is reaching 38K dps while using chain.
I have noticed that people recommend chain for voltaxic rift and I have tried to use it but dps gets so disgusting that my charachter gets unplayable. (It was level 18 chain not level 1!)
But I was like, okay he probably has 20% quality gems and corrupted level 21s. But after a while I've saw a blade vortex build from one person and it inspired me to play it. I've created my own blade vortex and stuff and I am pretty happy about it. I can beat atziri but not guaranteed without dying and I did tier 14 map with not difficult mods and easy boss deathless.
(Blade Vortex, Spell Echo, Faster Casting, Added Fire Damage, Increased Duration, Controlled Destruction.) (They are all level 20)
My tooltip of blade vortex goes 9K without auras.
While person who inspired me to play blade vortex says he has 50K.
But okay still no worrying, I ain't begginer no longer, lemme put some 20% quality gems.
As spell echo reduces 10% of your damage to gives you 70% cast speed, I have 20% quality spell echo that gives you those 10% damage back. Guy from who I saw the blade vortex said that it should increase my damage by alot. And it makes sence I expected a good number 10% damage is huge.
I equipped the level 20 and 20% quality instead of just level 20 one to gain a full 200 extra dps.
When I don't have spell echo I have 6 and something K dps. Idk where 10% of 6k or 10k is 200 especially with damage nodes from skill tree and all that stuff. Then I equipped 20% quality added fire damage instead of 0% quality one, to get 20 extra dps. Yeah 20.
While now I am completly confused, I went to the Pohx and Mathilifications, youtube channels.
They have played some blade vortex. Pohx currently plays some kinda blade vortex in hardcore perandus.
I've entered his video to see how they are doing high tier maps and uber atziri on a FIVE LINK. My mind is completly blown. In arsenal map he stacks 5 blades shathering everything around himself, while I need 40 blades for that.
If someone can please explain the game to me. To view my charachter in the case you want to see my gear skill tree and all that: https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/TheHotGrill/characters
Search for VortexClubParty charachter.

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Posted by
TheHotGrill
on Apr 3, 2016, 3:22:21 PM

You are a new player, try to understand mechanics and things, there are a lot of maths included when you make own builds.
And do not compare your dps to streamers who get stuff for free, every roll matters on items, probably they even have gg jewels and in HC they have like aurabots and cursebots in the party.
Your voltaxic hase a low end roll and you don't have static electricity in your skill tree.
So judging just by this, you miss out on like 250-300 flat lightning dmg.
Also getting flat lightnign dmg on jewelry and quiver is important.
Theese are just some little things.
TL;DR you could have 2 times the dmg on voltaxic if you used static electricity in the tree, you pathed by the jewel sockets, you did not take them, this is why copying builds from 'pros' is never a good idea.
As for atziri it is not a faceroll fight, it is about dodging things, you have to practise it.

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Posted by
krenderke
on Apr 3, 2016, 3:33:42 PM

For a newbie, I'd highly recommend you don't play Voltaxic builds, and ESPECIALLY not an attack build made by Mathil.
The reason why Mathil builds look so powerful is because he is an incredible player. What I mean by that is he has absolutely amazing gear on every toon. For that reason, most Mathil builds are newb traps, and it can be almost impossible to compete with his DPS as an unexperienced player.
I have a few tips for your Voltaxic build:
1. Don't use Snakebites.
You can easily replace your Snakebite with a rare pair of gloves. You NEED attack speed and flat lightning on your gloves.
2. Fix your links
Really, I wouldn't recommend playing a Voltaxic build without a 6L. The damage boost from a 6L is just way too significant. If you need a 6l, I recommend you do the Chains that Bind divination card set. Eventually, you'll get an evasion base. Just craft res and life on it, and you'll be good to go.
For your Voltaxic, do NOT use Phys to Light and Added Fire. Those supports scale off your PHYSICAL damage, which you have almost none of.
The recommended links for Blast Rain are:
Blast Rain + WED + Conc effect + Poison + Added Lightning
For Lightning Arrow, use:
Lightning Arrow + GMP + Chain + WED + Added Lightning + Void Manip
3. Divine your Voltaxic.
The roll on your Voltaxic is pretty gross. Not much more to say.
4. Improve your jewellry/quiver.
For your rings, you NEED at least the Elreon roll for added lightning damage. You also need at least a 30% WED roll. This is integral to achieving high DPS, especially on a build like Voltaxic, which relies entirely on flat lightning damage. For your quiver, you should go for WED and Crit Multi at the least. Accuracy is also a nice stat.
5. Your tree is horrible, to say the least.
I HEAVILY recommend you look at Mathil's tree. There's way too much that needs to be fixed here, and I can't possibly fit it in this reply.
6. Don't be a Deadeye.
IMO, Deadeye is pretty bad for Voltaxic. You really don't need the additional chain, as you're already one shotting literally every pack up to red maps. I highly recommend Raider. Avatar of the Slaughter will GREATLY improve your clear speed and DPS.
There are a few more tips, those are just some of t he most important ones, in no particular order. If you need any more advice, you can PM me.

Posted by
on Apr 3, 2016, 4:36:26 PM

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I equipped the level 20 and 20% quality instead of just level 20 one to gain a full 200 extra dps.

We can at least shed some light on what happened here. Echo gem has a '10% less damage' penalty which is a standalone 0,9 multiplier to your damage. However, '10% increased damage' is additive with your other damage increases so it's big only very early in the game, later on it would be equivalent to 2-3% more damage at most.
If you want to know exactly why aren't you having the kind of DPS someone else has you should compare your builds apple by apple. I can assure you they haven't sold their souls to Kitava or anything, you're just a few pieces short of the whole puzzle, and that can be pretty big in endgame.

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Posted by
on Apr 3, 2016, 5:01:30 PM

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How do people get high dps?

With Cast on crit and exalts

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Posted by
on Apr 3, 2016, 10:40:48 PM

Most people buff themselves up heaps before taking screenshots like that. For LA, you'd want to use Wrath and Herald of Thunder at least. But they will probably have flasks on too, like Diamond flask and onslaught flask on etc....
(And also maybe a shrine!)
Also note that you can increase your lightning arrow DPS by a lot if you have more added lightning damage on gear.

Face it, all of your suggestions are worse than this idea:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/657756

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Posted by
dudiobugtron
on Apr 4, 2016, 12:04:48 AM

Guys, I didn't focus my thread really on voltaxic rift char, it's more focused on vortex. I reworked my build, instad of dual wielding dagger, i've put pledge of hands, I stand on 7 link now and my dps is still 10K. I have a friend who plays a support charachter and has 13 auras on his charachter, he says that he usually doubles peoples dps but when I play with him I have 14K dps.
My game must be bugged so hard. There's no way I can have this much dps while having all this!

Posted by
TheHotGrill
on Apr 4, 2016, 12:56:25 PM

You cant compare your vortex to pohx build, you just cant. Its nothing similar, he uses bladevortex to apply curses and essence worm ring for hatred which you dont use at all (major DPS loss). He also has no mana reserved and uses that 60% increased spell dmg jewel. AND he is a scion with leech from marauder ascendancy cant remember which one so he doesnt need warlords mark. Totally different build in all aspects.

Posted by
vvooee
on Apr 4, 2016, 1:09:44 PM

Your blade vortex tree has around 10 different problems, including some inefficient pathing. You're missing life nodes that are literally right on your path, you get some crit nodes but not the best ones near shadow, you didn't pick up a jewel socket for 1 point. Main problem is stretching yourself too thin honestly. (2 points for 5% cast speed?)
Another problem is your ascendancy class. It's not helping you much. Full crit assassin with deadly infusion/toxic delivery is what would boost your dps to 50k+. Warlord's mark/vaal pact to not die instantly on reflect. Poison gem would also add way more damage than added fire when you factor in all that increased duration (yes skill duration affects poison duration).
My honest opinion would be that you need to roll another shadow from scratch, it would take far too many regret orbs to salvage your current build.
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAYBAAPuBAcFQgceCPQN0Q5ID6sQkhEtES8RlhXtFr8W8xzcHb4gbiL0JIsmPCaVKPoqCyo4LJwvnTGeMjIzhzWSNj06WDrhPV9Bh0GWRZ1JUUyOTLNN41AwUlNTUlS9VUtVxlxAXfJfKmHiYqxjQ2SdakNqjGwLbIxtGXBSdf18g35Zf8aCx4PbhG-EooUyidOMNo8aj_qTJ5UulouXlZf0muCdqqEvotmmV66zsNi00bVItz64k7xvvOq-isBUwzrIDMgUy73QH9D11ELVudi92YbjhOaB62Pr5Ovu6_Xv6_DV8h3yRfVv-ej-Cv6P
This is a general idea of what to go for, while still using mind over matter. You'll probably want a doedre's damning to dual curse with warlord's mark/assassin's mark.

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Posted by
on Apr 4, 2016, 1:29:31 PM

To get high dps you need really good synergy between your tree + gear + skill gems. That's only partly the case with your build.
First, you travel too far on your passive tree (Scion life wheel, double curse) so you are left with not enough passive points.
Second, you take various nodes that increase your maximum mana and Mind over Matter, which is a good combination - but then you reserve almost all your mana (if I understand it correctly) for Herald + Blasphemy + Clarity, making all those nodes pretty useless.
Third, your increased damage from tree + gear is rather low, you have about 260% increased damage only. My self-cast builds usually have 350+. Since you don't profit from elemental damage increases you really want to max out on jewels with physical/spell damage or cast speed, depending on your path there are three or four jewel slots you can take for two or less points each.
Fourth, I don't know which build inspired you but most Blade Vortex builds go for critical strikes, which - if built correctly and with good gear - can reach pretty good DPS. Not to say it can't be done without critical strikes though.

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on Apr 4, 2016, 2:23:40 PM